• Your second point has some merit, Chris but I have to agree with Gaz. I know what you're thinking, but in my circumstances being chronically unemployed and coupled with a mental illness i(PTSD, social anxiety and clinical depression - all due to trauma) is not a nice feeling.

      There are people here in Australia like me who WANT TO WORK, but due to lack paid work experience on a CV, employers don't want to know you AND if you have the stigma of a mental illness. It may be PC of workplaces to be inclusive and preach diversity these days, but it's another to not even meet the potential employee with said mental illness and not even give them a chance. I went to a local Specialist school here in Ballarat on a CWA field trip to see these amazing young kids who were either mentally, physically challenged - or both - making things like deckchairs and feed troughs for the school's mini farm all with the assistance of the staff, of course. There were even a few learning how to take money, use the till and serve some delicious coffee, tea and cake and you know what? I almost cried in my tea cup because I thought "Here are these kids who have been given the opportunities to use and utilise some life skills and due to their handicap, an employer would not even consider hiring them, either... and I thought I had issues..."

      There are also people who simply don't want to work either, and it's not just because they've got the baby to look after either. Every fortnight, I have attend appointments with my local job centre (I have been doing this type of crap on and off for 13 f'ng years now) and if I don't attend these appointments without a valid reason, my dole could be suspended or withdrawn - and rightly so, especially if you are a serial offender. The government keeps saying they'll be tougher on such people, but it's a load of crap. How do I know all this? I have a"Job Plan" with my case worker at the job centre where I have"Mutual Obligations" I must fulfill and if I don't, the same thing could happen also. This "Job Plan" is essentially a contract between myself, the Job Centre and the government. My job centre - and all the other I have been to over the years - is for those suffering from disabilities and we have it a little bit easier than regular job seekers, and therefore, these places rely on government subsidies if they meet quotas etc. However, the "Job Plan" contract is, in theory, the same, but the only difference is the "Mutual Obligations". I have to find and secure suitable employment for 15 hours a week due to my situations. Others may have to do training or less or more hours.

      Rant over.

    • What I was trying to say ( maybe badly) MG is something along the lines that you have drawn out. There are loads of people here too that are not interested in working or do not seem to be anyway. The catch is that they are probably all unskilled and if they were to be offered a job it would be on the minimum wage. Once they started to pay rent and stuff again they may well be worse off than being unemployed. There are some people who watch channel five programmes and have an opinion on the unemployed as all work shy, but the toss side of that is that we now have a system in britain that is seeing thousands of employed people using food banks every day, so working does not always pay.<br/>
      I genuinely feel sorry for people who want to get on by working hard. It is not easy getting on to the ladder to achieve that. By the sounds of it you come into that category and I hope things turn around for you. Anyway, it is a Mod site and I apologise about maybe politicizing things.
    • Don't apologise, Chris. I know the kinds of TV shows you mean. Politically speaking, I grew up working class and became semi-conservative in my young years. Not far right or anything extreme like that, but in my country, we HAVE to vote and I for one, am proud to do so. I consider myself to be a "Red Tory" or "Blue Labour".
    • Two of my ancestors were in Tolpddle Martyrs. Now that's talking politics!
    • I am a freeman of a sovereign state in a democracy with the power to speak, to vote and to give power of governance to the "servants" of the people. Many people are ignorant of this fact and that so many fought and died (horrifically) for this, against the masters. A fact that empowers and sets you free, the only power anyone has over you as a person, as an individual, is the power that you give them. I believe wholeheartedly in the power of intelligence, culture and education (ICE), not that I have any high degree of the former, only that I understand it's importance in moving forward in life thus making them desirable traits to have and enhance. The beauty is that with a little effort this knowledge is free!

      Once again, I am a freeman, with a free mind and a free will all the way to my grave ;0)

    • A waster is a waster Chris regardless whether they be rich or poor. It was a posted comment I found amusing and honest with no deeper meaning than that stated.

      I am no class warrior, politician or power monger, rich or poor. All I know is how my world works and live my life accordingly. Luck plays a serious roll in everybody's life, I just prefer to try and make my own and wish nothing but the best of luck to others ;0) 

    • Again, I agree and not once have ever played the gender card. I do consider myself a feminist in my own way. Not the "all men are bastards, burn the bra kind", either.
    • Fine sentiments Gary.
    • Haha, true...
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