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This is probably more for those original mods of us around. Why were certain groups of us classed as so called Hard Mods, what does this mean?, i don't understand. Ok we never backed out of fights that's true, we never let anyone push us around especially the police or the leather boys. We didn't wreck private property or telephone boxes etc. A lot of the big fights Brighton, Hastings,Clacton, were the work of the press and tv winding everyone up, so through the press there was always a bit of bad blood. I think that at the end of the sixties people were so used to mods being around, when the skinheads arrived on the scene with their baseball bats and boots, we mods were tarred with the same brush.But Hard MODS looking for trouble all the time we were'nt, ha, what with the music,the pills, and the ?????????????/ we didn't have time.  It would be nice to hear the reaction from some of the original MODS.

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  • I know what you mean,As Mods we were a little different to the other kids of our age (mum still buying their clothes ) so it was obvious that we stood out and we were called names and that ended in a fight but apart from that it was a peaceful time. As the mod scence started to change with a lot of the younger ones who could not afford the expensive clothes turned into the skinhead movement, now that's another story.As a mod it was for me sex, music, clothes, drugs not always in that order

  • I'm a Romany Gypsy with an African wife so they can throw all the accusations they like at me mate, it's water off a ducks back.

  • They're probably all millionaire diamond merchants living in Golders Green mate, not gonna hang with the likes of us chavvies

  • Okay, I've got you. Mod DIDN'T start with the Jewish jazz kids who listened to (MODern Jazz) in the late 50's after all. What was Paulo Hewitt thinking telling such lies? And Mod didn't morph into Swinging London and hence into hippydom after all, damn the Who and Small Faces for misleading me. And Skinheads didn't some from Hard Mods but from Adams Rib perhaps? Just because you didn't class Hard Mods as Hard Mods then they CAN'T have existed, how silly of me. Oh, no. My Mum was a Mod and then became a Hippy, ergo she didn't exist so I must have been beamed here? And my old mate Ronnie Gray who was a face at the California Ballroom in the 60's, became a Hard Mod and then a Skin didn't exist either because YOU didn't know him, right?

  • In '66, yeah. The Hard Mod look came later. Maybe not in your part of London, I dunno. To say a mod was a mod though, is wrong. Mod developed, from the Jewish Jazz boys, to the tickets and faces of the mid 60's. And hence to the split- the psycadelic scene one way and Hard Mod look the other way. The be all and end all of Mod wasn't 1966. Northerners in flares and parkas called themselves mods in the 70's.

     It's no different now. The New Untouchables are far removed from the Brum lads, the Belfast lads and the Scots lads. And lasses. Just because it's one way in London doesn't make it wrong in Brum. 

    • From Wiki-

      By the summer of 1966, the mod scene was in sharp decline. Dick Hebdige argues that the mod subculture lost its vitality when it became commercialised, artificial and stylised to the point that new mod clothing styles were being created "from above" by clothing companies and by TV shows like Ready Steady Go!, rather than being developed by young people customising their clothes and mixing different fashions together.[13]

      As psychedelic rock and the hippie subculture grew more popular in the United Kingdom, many people drifted away from the mod scene. Bands such as The Who and Small Faces had changed their musical styles and no longer considered themselves mods. Another factor was that the original mods of the early 1960s were getting into the age of marriage and child-rearing, which meant that they no longer had the time or money for their youthful pastimes of club-going, record-shopping and scooter rallies. The peacock or fashion wing of mod culture evolved into the swinging London scene and the hippie style, which favored the gentle, marijuana-infused contemplation of esoteric ideas and aesthetics, which contrasted sharply with the frenetic energy of the mod ethos.

      The hard mods of the mid-to-late 1960s eventually transformed into the skinheads.[14][15][16] Many of the hard mods lived in the same economically depressed areas of South London as West Indian immigrants, and those mods emulated the rude boy look of pork pie hats and too-short Levis jeans.[17] These "aspiring 'white negros'" listened to Jamaican ska and mingled with black rude boys at West Indian nightclubs like Ram Jam, A-Train and Sloopy's.[18][19][20]

      Dick Hebdige claims that the hard mods were drawn to black culture and ska music in part because the educated, middle-class hippie movement's drug-oriented and intellectual music did not have any relevance for them.[21] He argues that the hard mods were also attracted to ska because it was a secret, underground, non-commercialised music that was disseminated through informal channels such as house parties and clubs.[22] The early skinheads also liked soul, rocksteady and early reggae.

      The early skinheads retained basic elements of mod fashion — such as Fred Perry and Ben Sherman shirts, Sta-Prest trousers and Levi's jeans — but mixed them with working class-oriented accessories such as braces and Dr. Martens work boots. Hebdige claims that as early as the Margate and Brighton brawls between mods and rockers, some mods were seen wearing boots and braces and sporting close cropped haircuts (for practical reasons, as long hair was a liability in industrial jobs and streetfights).

      Mods and ex-mods were also part of the early northern soul scene, a subculture based on obscure 1960s and 1970s American soul records. Some mods evolved into, or merged with, subcultures such as individualists, stylists, and scooterboys, creating a mixture of "taste and testosterone" that was both self-confident and streetwise.[12]

      Quadrophenia exhibit, 2007

  • What was it like to be a kid in the revival days and the way it is now?

    • What was it like in the Revival days? Cheap, violent, a bit rubbish and loads of FUN!

      • Mate, you are the one who seems to think the term Hard Mod was just invented to piss you off lol. Were the terms (for Mods) Mids/Mockers/Tickets/Faces/Scooter Boys also not used in the 60's and a figment of the collective imagination?

        • I can't recall the terms "Mids" or "Tickets" being used in the 60's.Maybe elsewhere, but not with the Mods I used to hang around with.

          When Ringo Star was asked if he was a Mod or a Rocker he replied he was a "Mocker", which is the only time I've heard that term used.

          Perhaps because Mod "historians" and "experts" have used such terms they become the accepted truth along with many other myths and exaggerations about the 60's.

          If revialists pick up on myths about the period then they can't be blamed for wanting to know more. We shouldn't take it out on them  as the responsibility lies with the myth builders.

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